Season 10, Episode One October 27, 2024 Tammie Louise

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Hello. Thank you for putting your ear to the listening tube. I'm your host, Bob Woodley. This is the tenth season of the Listening Tube, and I'd like to acknowledge a few people. Among them, you. Plus, listeners around the world, from Tokyo to Quebec, cities around the United States, where people like Dave in Alabama and Jeanette in Pennsylvania and my cousin Glenn listen. I appreciate your attention spans. But when people from places like Russia and Iran and China tune in as well, that's a little special because I know they probably have to take extra measures to download the listening tube. Thank you for doing that. I'd love to hear what you think of the listening tube, and you can text me directly from the homepage at thelisteningtube.bunsprout.com if you get it on your phone. On this episode, we'll hear about the Statue of Liberty, DDT, and I'll have a conversation with a woman who says we can stop the infiltration of socialism in America by making more friends.

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But first, not the headlines.

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With less than two weeks before the national election in the United States, those of us who live here are inundated with political advertising. Especially if you live in one of the seven so-called swing states: Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Wisconsin, and the state where I live, Pennsylvania. What used to be commercials for drugs to treat stuff you didn't know you had that have side effects that may lead to death, we now have commercials predicting the death of democracy if the other side wins. I'll overlook the differences between a democracy and a republic because that's not the focal point here. It's the commercials. Do you know if you can believe any of them? Do they make you wonder, or do they confirm what you already believe to be true? Billions of dollars are spent by the candidates, their supporters, and political action committees, even foreign governments to use the media to influence your vote. And none of what you see or hear happens by accident if it's being paid for. So how do you know what you can believe? There are a couple of things you can look for. Let's listen to a few political ads I recorded from my television, and then we'll examine how truthful they are.

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Billionaires are paying less in taxes than we do. Well, I'm not rich as hell. Kamala Harris will cut taxes for us and make billionaires pay their fair share. Kamala is fighting for us.

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Let's take a look at that claim. That billionaires pay less taxes than the average teacher or plumber. I'm going to look that up.

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He's gonna look it up. He's really gonna do it.

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I want the truth! You can't handle the truth.

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According to verifythhis.com, who looked into it in response to President Biden's assertion during his State of the Union speech that billionaires pay an average of 8.2% of their income in federal taxes, the top 400 wealthiest Americans actually pay an average of about 23% or almost three times what the president claimed. While the average American pays about 13.6%. The very first sentence of this commercial is a lie. The soundbite of Donald Trump saying we're gonna give you tax breaks to people who are rich as hell is true. He gave practically everybody tax breaks during his first time in office. Not just rich people, which makes the actor's next line of the commercial just a follow-up to the original lie. A flood of illegals skyrocketing prices, global chaos, and Kamala wouldn't change a thing.

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Would you have done something differently than President Biden during the past four years? There is not a thing that comes to mind. Nothing will change with Kamala.

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Under Kamala Harris, over 13,000 illegals convicted of murder are living in American communities, while an additional 15,000 convicted of sexual assault and rape are also living amongst you.

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Will Kamala Harris cut taxes for anybody? Not likely. She has said she'd like to increase the tax credits for low-income families and families with children. But that's only about a third of us. Single men and women without children would not be included, nor see any tax breaks from a Harris administration. That ad was paid for by Future Forward Political Action Committee, a key player in liberal politics. The next commercial is a pro-Trump spot and starts with three statements that are backed up by reports that are referenced on the video of the commercial. The first assertion, a flood of illegals, is backed up by a story by the Associated Press from December 19, 2023. The second assertion, skyrocketing prices, is backed up by a story on CNBC from May 15th of this year. And the third assertion, global chaos, is backed up by a March 11th story from the Wall Street Journal. Two out of those three media outlets lean left. Then they use Kamala's own words to confirm the point. She wouldn't change a thing. That ad was paid for by Donald Trump for president. There is no disputing its contents. In the third ad, it also begins with statements that reference media reports. Thirteen thousand illegal aliens who have been convicted of murder have been let into the United States by the current administration, according to the New York Post on September 27th. Another 15,000 convicted of sexual assault have been let in, according to Fox News report, on the same day. This ad was paid for by Right for America. But at least its claims were backed up by the legitimate media reports. We had none of that in the Harris Ad. The Harris Ad was nothing but misinformation presented to make you feel like she's on your side. Trying to create an emotional connection rather than a rational one. That's the Democrats' entire platform in 2024. Let's hope that there are enough people in the country who don't like Donald Trump. Harris has no plan, although she claims Trump has no plan. Harris has no platform other than hatred for Donald Trump. She avoids policy questions. She's hanging her hat on the abortion issue even though she'll have no power to change abortion laws as president. Anyone who votes for Kamala Harris because of abortion rights is wasting their vote. But not the Democrats nor the legacy media will tell you that. Otherwise, prices are still too high at the grocery store, interest rates are still too high, home sales are down again. Gasoline is cheaper, but we expected that to happen right before an election. Credit card debt and credit card defaults are at an all-time high. Major cities are going broke trying to support illegal aliens who were let in by Joe and Kamala. All while they claim they were doing everything they could to stop it. We're not blind. We saw how the border opened up, and we know Joe Biden undid all the policies Donald Trump had in place on the first day of the Biden Harris administration. They let it go on for more than three years. During COVID, illegal aliens were pouring across the border, unvaccinated and unmasked, while Americans were locked out of their jobs and schools. And the lockdowns continued under pressure from the teachers' unions and the support of the Democratic lapdogs in Congress and the White House. It wasn't until almost everybody who wanted to come here illegally, as well as anybody who was eventually sent here by a hostile country, was already here that the Biden administration did anything to try to stem the flow. Cities are broke, overcrowded, and suffering. Housing is stretched thin because of the influx. Candidate Harris wants to give first-time homebuyers a $25,000 tax credit. In other words, welcome to America. Even though you came here illegally, we're going to shelter you temporarily, give you a cell phone, prepaid debit cards, and educate your children. And if the Democratic candidate gets elected, we'll also give you $25,000 to buy a house, even though we don't have enough to go around. That will raise home prices, but that's okay, because we'll just tax the middle class to pay for it. We'll say we're going to tax the billionaires, but that's not what will actually happen. By then, enough people will be dependent upon the federal government that the Democrats will always win every election for the foreseeable future. That's why Kamala Harris is the perfect Democratic candidate. She has no thoughts of her own. She's willing to tow the company line. She's just a willing participant in the grand scheme of the left to turn the United States of America into something other than what it always has been and was meant to be. The left wants to turn America into a socialist country led by a Marxist Kamala Harris, leading to a government right to become another communist country. When the left says they're protecting democracy, they're lying. From what I can tell, anything the left accuses the right of doing, the left is already doing. So if they say you have to vote for Kamala to save democracy, it only means that they already have a plan to use her to change the fundamental elements of our republic. This week in 1886, in the New York Harbor, President Grover Cleveland dedicates the Statue of Liberty. A gift from the people of France in recognition of the liberty afforded to the people of the United States by its form of government. The people of France raised $250,000 to build the statue. The people of America had to raise $300,000 to build a place to put it. It wasn't easy. Eventually, Joseph Pulitzer of Pulitzer Prize fame announced a fundraiser that inspired donations from all over, some as little as pennies. 80% of the donations were less than a dollar. There was still a long way to go. The pedestal had to be built and the statue put into place, a spectacle the like had not been seen by humankind since the Colossus of Rhodes. There was a time when immigrants arriving by boat would be greeted by the Statue of Liberty. Lately, immigrants never see it, nor do they understand what living in the USA means. Not to be confused with today's mosquito repellent DEET. DDT was a compound first synthesized in 1874 in Vienna. But in 1939, Mueller put a fly in a container with DDT and later found it dead. He'd been searching for an insecticide that didn't also kill humans since 1935. Such a tool would be a boon to humankind, decreasing disease to humans and crops alike. Both the Swiss and U.S. governments confirmed its effectiveness. Patents were issued in multiple countries. Millions of lives and innumerable crops were spared because of DDT at a time when such a chemical was sorely needed to fight diseases spread by insects. Just over 20 years later, in the early 1970s, DDT was banned for its effects on wildlife, especially birds. DDT was suspected of nearly wiping out the American bald eagle and the peregrine falcon. DDT is now banned in most of the world because of its ill effects on humans, animals, and the environment in general. I guess the lesson here is that just because something is a good idea right now doesn't mean it's a good idea for the long term. We have to be willing to accept new ideas for improving our lives, but we also need to be able to look ahead to any adverse possibilities and be willing to admit our mistakes and make adjustments. Just because you win a Nobel Prize doesn't mean it's a good idea.

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My guest this week is a woman who comes from a South American country who is worried about the direction of society in the United States. Isabel Sam's family and her husband's family have both emigrated to the United States to escape the oppression and socialism and eventual communism at home. But there are some customs that Isabel believes can translate to American society and improve our lives and repel the oppression that took root in her homeland. Isabel is now living in Orlando, Florida, and she spent some time with me in the listening tube. Everything looks behind you looks to be in order despite a hurricane just blowing through.

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Yeah, yeah, it wasn't too bad. So we we made it through. We just had a bunch of stuff that we had a burn in the yard, and it it really wasn't too bad for a hurricane coming through.

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Yeah. What is this Florida Freedom Family?

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Florida Freedom Family became a thing because in 2020 everyone got locked down in all kinds of different ways, and everyone was being forced to wear certain things that if they wanted to or not. And all these different freedom groups started popping up. And what happened with them is that they actually became very political, you know, like right or left. And that was your only choice. And I feel like we should have more choices than that. And so a group of us got together and we were like, yeah, let's just start up Florida freedom family that's gonna be based off of friendship first. And not off of politics first. So if we have a our idea is that if we have a really good foundation in our friendship, then when it comes time to fight back against tyranny, that will be our foundation. And then the tyranny part is gonna be a lot easier to tackle together.

SPEAKER_06 16:43

So is this a political party you're talking about?

SPEAKER_02 16:48

No, it's really just like uh like a group, like we're forming tribes. So your tribes would be five close friends within five miles of your home that you can count on. So if the government shows up at your door, you've got people that you can call. And then you would have a freedom village that would be uh 200 people within 10 miles of your home. So again, if something goes wrong, you've got a group of people that you can actually count on. And you can do all kinds of things together. You can homeschool together, you can prep together, you can grow mangoes together. And then when it comes time for session or something like that, and we say, hey, we really need a certain law change, then we can get it changed.

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One of the questions that you say you are prepared to answer is, how did we lose our tribes and villages to the nuclear family and institutions? And I find that question interesting in the sense that is there something what happened to our nuclear families? Is there something wrong with them?

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Yes, there is. So uh the nuclear family is a really, really new thing in our history. It used to be that you would have a whole entire group of people around you, normally at least 50 people that you would be surrounded by. So these could be your in-laws, they can be your cousins, your aunts, your uncles, right? All the these people would be together and they would all be kind of alloparents to your children, and you would be alloparents to their children, and you would all help each other to raise these children together. And right now, what's going on is that, you know, all these people have been kind of like stripped from our families. People, you know, just one nuclear family has moved out to the suburbs, and the parents are kind of losing their minds because they have to essentially be those at least 50 people that they would have had their children around while they were growing up. And that's a very difficult thing for parents to be able to do. That's why parents are so stressed out now and feel like they feel like they don't know how to parent after the nuclear family stuff started coming in. Then then there was this whole idea coming out that parents were just supposed to have instincts. But historically, we have never had instincts. We've had this entire group of people surrounding us who have helped us to raise these children, and so like parents feel like they're losing their minds and they're bad mothers and all this kind of stuff. And it's like, no, hold on, mom. You just had a baby, like you need to sit down and rest so your body can heal from pushing an entire human out of it, and you need help. And we've kind of like decided, oh no, they're not gonna have they're not gonna have the immediate family or the extended family around them to help them. And they're gonna put their children in soccer in an institution, they're gonna put their family in a church, which who knows if the church people are gonna show up for you or not, right? Everything is just another institution, and what we really need is we need our fifty to a hundred people back that should be around us.

SPEAKER_06 19:56

My follow-up would be what are these institutions of which you speak? And you mentioned a few church, organized sports, things like that. No, now do you have some inherent hostility toward these institutions, or is it just an observation?

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Yeah, it's just an observation. Like, I don't think that there's anything wrong with throwing your kid in soccer. No problem with it, right? But right now, what we have going on with these children, right? Children are supposed to grow up being around other kids and playing. Like this is a thing that all mammals do, right? You have you know, like I live in a forest reserve, so I have baby bears in my backyard every single year, right? What are the baby bears doing? They all get together with other baby bears, and then they climb the trees and they make a huge big fat mess in my backyard, and then I go outside and clean it up because this is what baby bears are supposed to do, right? But the children now, instead of just going outside and playing with other kids and problem solving with them, they get carted around. They go to their soccer practice, then they've got their Wednesday night for church, then they've got their art class over here, then they've got piano lessons to go to, right? And then they come home, and then they want to decompress, and then they play with other kids on a device. And our children are suffering. I mean, beforehand, we we never we never tracked suicide rates in children. We now track suicide rates in children. What's wrong?

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Well, obviously, something does seem to be wrong then, doesn't it? Now part of the inspiration for this uh project, this Florida Freedom Family, is your and your husband's experience in your home countries. Uh what's the background there? What do you see happening in in America that you saw happen in your home country?

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My husband's from Nicaragua. He left when he was eleven because uh socialists came in and took over. And uh at 12 years old. Old, the boys could be drafted into the military. So that's why his family left. And then in my family, I actually had a socialist who was president. And uh my family ended up having to leave because there was just constant division going on within the country. And it happened in my husband's country too, just the constant division, and then the government coming in because now everyone's kind of the division kind of messes people up. They they start to feel like life is really, really hard and that there isn't enough for everyone. And so then they just start fighting all the time, all the time about all kinds of things. Most of the time the things that they're fighting about is just nonsense, right? But the government keeps on going and creating the division, creates the division, and then as everything gets worse, then they come in with their solution. And normally their solution is deadly. And I mean, in my husband's case, his country went from socialism to now communism. And if you're a college student and you speak out about what is going on in that country right now, you get disappeared, thrown in jail, and beaten regularly. And that's coming for the United States. Similar laws have actually already been passed here in Florida.

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Well, certainly we do have the division in place already to precipitate uh uh the conditions that you described coming thereafter. So how does the Florida Fre Freedom Family Organization and their values and and traditions, I guess, for lack of a better term, how do they prevent that from happening?

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If people start seeing that, seeing other people, that they're working well together, they like each other, their children are doing really well, the children feel grounded within their family, their tribe, their village, through multiple things, just from doing chores around the house all the way to a rite of passage when they become an adult, right? That has a way of catching on to people that they see peace in those people and they want more of that too. And if we just get more and more people who are finding some of that peace in their lives, I think that's gonna make the division that's going on right now just way more difficult because you're gonna have a group of people who are constantly standing up and being the literal example of like, here's how we can live peacefully. We don't have to continue doing what it is that they want us to do.

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Now, I'm gonna play devil's advocate a little bit here. Uh you promote a tribal type of society and raising children in a tribal or village type model. You also say that you and your husband both left countries that had become socialist, and seeing those conditions in America has you scared. So the first thing I want to ask is you to explain how living in a village or a collective society is different from socialism.

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So it would not be actually a collective type society. Um so the so a lot of the d indigenous people in Bolivia, they do live in villages uh where they do have kind of their own method of living. But the people within them are free to choose what it is that they want to do and what it is that they want to, you know, do for a living, um, how they're going to to have certain things that they do within their families and things like that. So it's not like we're going out and we're buying land and we're saying, hey, everyone is going to follow these certain rules, right? We're going to have a method for parenting that's based off of ancient parenting that you would still see within a lot of like tribes in in Africa. You see it in in Central America, South America, around the North Pole, you're seeing it also. And these work well just for grounding children and for grounding the society. But everyone else, though, who's within that group, like that's kind of their found, that's their foundation. But they're still allowed to do, you know, whatever it is that they want to do with their own lives.

SPEAKER_06 26:19

So other than parenting, what advantages are there to the village concept?

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There are so many. We we have, you know, a loneliness epidemic that's going on right now in this country, you know, where people have been repeating the same study over and over again, where you know, being lonely is the equivalent to smoking, I think it's like five cigarettes a day. It's like that stressful on your body. So that would help end the loneliness epidemic that's going on right now in this country. It's going to help our children, you know, become more grounded. So then that we should hopefully get rid of tracking suicide among children. And then it's going to also help our elders as they're getting older, instead of just shipping them off to nursing homes where they're lonely. And I I kind of feel like some of them die early, they're going to have purpose because they're going to have the younger generation that they're part of. And the younger generation is going to love being part of them too again.

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How do you choose who's in your village? How do you expel someone from the village? What happens to people who don't belong to a village? Uh I have the it's a five-part question. And shouldn't friendship be more of an organic thing? Is it wise to try to be friends with someone?

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Yeah. Yeah. So friendship should definitely be more of an organic thing. The only thing that we are trying to do is we're trying to set up, you know, fire pit meetups or even just like camping get-togethers or just random other workshop get-togethers. So people start to meet each other, and every tribe is going to have their own thing that they're really looking for. Like we had some people who were looking at joining Florida Freedom Family and they are extremely religious. So within their tribe, one of the things that they said was that they wanted people who belong to a certain denomination and were part of this type of a religion. And that was their first thing that they were looking for. And I said, that's cool. Like what I'm looking for are people with more of a growth mindset who have experienced a lot of different cultures and are wanting to set goals for their lives, right? That's mine. So we can each choose like what it is that we're looking for. But if we kind of like just start getting people together more and more, so then they can allow that um friendship to then organically grow as they're spending more time together.

SPEAKER_06 28:46

These tribes of which you speak, I feel a little bit of a contradiction here because uh, like as you just made an example, the the one tribe wants people with their similar religious views. And I would imagine there are a lot of tribes who want people with their similar political views or other, you know, other things. So does this not increase the division or just divide us up in more different ways?

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It can. So we do have something that when you're joining Florida Freedom Family, you're just agreeing that the left and the right and Trump will not save us and we need to work together. And then I do have on the website when people just like look for the website, you know, on Google or something like that, something will pop up saying we are a libertarian-leaning group. So if you have any authoritarians or people who just are madly in love with Trump, I mean, that's cool if that's your thing. But I'm I am kind of like showing that stuff on there so that if they're gonna be a little bit too much into those things, then they're probably not going to want to join Florida Freedom Family. And that's fine. There are plenty of those types of groups out there.

SPEAKER_06 29:57

How do you expel someone from a group?

SPEAKER_02 30:01

Yeah. Okay. So it is really interesting what we do. So we do not do um, okay, so in in like uh Western American culture, everyone tends to lean towards we're gonna vote, right? We're gonna vote for this person to be out, right? We kind of have another method where if this person is causing problems, causing too much division, we're going up to them and we'll one-on-one talk with them. If it still is going on and it's just making a lot of people really uncomfortable, then we have two people come up to that person and try and talk with them, right? And then if it still is going on, we're still having way too much division and stuff like that, then we're going to call kind of like a village meeting and we're going to problem solve our way through this, right? So we're gonna say, like, like, hey, you, I don't know what they might be doing. We haven't had to, we haven't had to like, we haven't had huge problems with this yet because I think we've been catching the right people. But if we're like, hey, you keep on peeing on a on the tree and we don't like you peeing on the tree, right? Then we're gonna start going through like the pee can't, the tree can't be peed on. And then we're gonna start listing like all the like just every single type of answer to peeing on the tree that there could possibly be in the universe, no matter how weird it is. Like, I'm gonna take a spaceship to Mars and pee on Mars. Like, okay, like we're gonna write the whole thing out, okay? And then we're gonna find out, like, and then we're gonna start asking this person more and more questions. Why do you need to pee on the tree? Right? Maybe this person comes from a background where peeing on the tree means he's an adult and we don't know that, right? And so so we're gonna keep on like going through all of these answers and keep on asking him more and more questions until we can try and get down to the root of why are you peeing on the tree or whatever it is that's going on, right? Until we can finally figure out, like, okay, is this something that we can all live with or that we can do one of these alternate solutions to it? Or or is this something that, you know, like, hey, buddy, you're gonna have to go because you're causing problems, you know what I mean? And that's really the goal. Like, if there's something maddening going on, like um like inappropriate behavior towards a child, then that type of person is just gonna get the boot. But with things where it's just like something weird is going on, then we're like, we're gonna go through a whole entire problem solving thing with that person, and hopefully we all become stronger together because we know each other better afterwards.

SPEAKER_06 32:41

Well, it certainly sounds like you've put a lot of thought into that. How is our well let me get back to the to those that group of questions again first? Yeah, let's just say this Florida Freedom Family thing really flourishes. What happens to the people who aren't in a tribe?

SPEAKER_02 33:03

That they want to be part of Florida Freedom Family? Maybe they don't.

SPEAKER_06 33:07

Will they be deprived of freedoms that the rest of that people in the tribes have? How does that work?

SPEAKER_02 33:15

Um now I so if if we could have, you know, the end all be all goal of Florida Freedom Family, um, I'm gonna give you an example from the Amish because this is something that I love that this one Amish community does that I would love for Florida Freedom Family to be able to do. There are these Amish people who live within four counties in Ohio and they get together and they auction off stuff that they have. Like someone will go and chop enough wood for a whole winter, right? And then at the end of the summer they do this big auction and everyone pays money for all this stuff, right? They put all the money into a pot. And if an Amish child gets really, really sick and the parents cannot afford all the medical bills that keep on coming in from the hospital, okay? The Amish will go and use the money from that pot and they will pay everything off from the hospital so that family doesn't have to, you know, go into debt for all of this, right? But if there's someone else who lives within those four counties and their child is also really sick, and that child is not Amish, and neither is the family, they will and they come to the Amish and they ask them, please, can you help me? They will pay off their medical debt. And the goal with Florida Freedom Family is just that let's just make ourselves like as free as possible. And if we can get enough of us together, and if we can love on the rest of Florida, then we're gonna do it.

SPEAKER_06 34:43

You mentioned that Florida Freedom Family is essentially a libertarian-leaning organization, or is that or at least that's how you imagine it to be.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 34:53

And certainly the libertarians have a very distinct view on on freedoms and how important freedoms are and how important it is to protect those freedoms. So what what kind of freedoms might be a byproduct of being in a tribe?

SPEAKER_02 35:13

So one of the things that we're working on is creating homeschool pods so that even if we have, you know, we have a family within Florida Freedom Family and they are on really hard times right now, um, but they want to homeschool. And so then we get together and we say, okay, well, what do we need to do to help you so you're able to homeschool? Like, do both parents need to work and these kids need to kind of like go between these different houses during the day so they can still be homeschooled? Um, do we need to help mom and dad maybe learn some things about entrepreneurship so they can just start their own business? You know, we're we're just like we're offering all the solutions that it is that we have available to us, and we'll help them with it.

SPEAKER_06 36:00

What are some examples of village attributes? What lessons have we learned from tribal foundations that can be applied to our own society?

SPEAKER_02 36:11

Yes. So I have this lovely member of Florida Freedom Family, and he he does like to curse, so I will edit myself. Um but he likes to say that Americans are as soft as crap. And he says this is part of our problem. We're very, very soft people now. We've had it so easy for so long that we've just become really, really soft. So one of the things that we've got going on is a rite of passage. So going through you have like all these like micro rite of passages, and then there's a big one for when they're joining adulthood, right? So our goal is to bring those children through some hard things and allow them to struggle, allow them to feel a little bit of pain. But our the goal is that the more and more that they get used to it, then as they're becoming an adult, they're going to be able to have better self-control. They'll be able to take on harder tasks that we're seeing a lot of adults even now having temper tantrums out in public, right? We don't want our children to grow up into that. We want them to be really, really strong. And I feel like a village is really what helps to turn those children into good, self-sufficient, strong adults.

SPEAKER_06 37:30

I'm old, so I've been through a lot of those trials and tribulations, but I kind of feel sad for our younger people today who don't have the opportunities to experience discipline or disappointment or you know, hard, you know, things that are difficult to go through.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 37:51

So I I guess that's a that's a worthy goal for an organization to have.

SPEAKER_02 37:57

Yeah, that's I mean, I I feel like we've lost track of just what is life, what is actual parenting, you know, what does it look like to actually be an adult? To me, it seems really, really simple with my background, but some books that are coming out as complete bestsellers, I'm like, and it's just brand new information to people. I'm like, oh man, we got to get back to our basics and and bring ourselves back up again, or the socialism is gonna take over and it's gonna win over us. And that is a terrible thing to have to get out of.

SPEAKER_06 38:31

Do you see socialism being more pronounced right now uh under a democratic administration than it would have been under a Republican administration or a libertarian administration?

SPEAKER_02 38:46

I I almost feel like the the Democrat and the Republican administration are both they're both very socialist. Maybe the Democrats lead more towards communism than the Republicans do. If I think if we did have a libertarian administration, then uh we would see a lot of things going away that are causing more socialism in the United States right now.

SPEAKER_06 39:09

Well, certainly our our government has done a lot and gone out of their way to try to ensure that we are dependent upon it.

SPEAKER_02 39:20

Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_06 39:22

And that to me is the beginning of socialism.

SPEAKER_02 39:25

Yes, exactly. I mean, how many of these poor families want to pull their children out of public school and they just can't afford to? They are now dependent upon the system. And I'm like, we have to work together to get ourselves out of this.

SPEAKER_06 39:42

Now, is the Florida Freedom Family concept spreading to other states?

SPEAKER_02 39:49

I have had people contact me from other states, but then they're a little bit scared about how much work it is to put into it and how much they have to change. We're kind of trying to figure out how to how do we bring this to other states? Um, do we need more people with maybe, you know, my background that can just lead the charge because they have lived it be, they have lived this before, they've seen it, they know it. It's kind of like second nature to us. And maybe for more of the American type people, it's just not second nature. Um, I don't know. It's it's stuff that we're trying to figure out right now, though. We're just trying to make it so that look, let's know each other well, let's have deep friendships so that we don't just all of a sudden discover that someone thinks differently about this other idea than I did, and then all of a sudden the friendship, you know, they just quit their friendships. And I don't want that happening. I want this to be a solid thing. So yes, it does take time, but it's worth it.

SPEAKER_06 40:49

To learn more about Florida Freedom Family, to get involved, or to start a similar program where you live, go to FLFreedomfam.me. Thank you to Isabel's Sam for spending some time in the listening tube.

SPEAKER_03 41:06

Just call on the brother when you need a hand. We don't need somebody to leave all.

SPEAKER_06 41:32

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