Season 11, Episode 11 May 25, 2025

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This is The Listening Tube.

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Hello. Thank you for putting your ear to the listening tube. I'm your host, Bob Woodley. It's amazing how much stuff I get done around the house now that I'm not at P. Diddy's freak-offs all the time. On this episode, we'll hear about un-American activities of the past and the not-so-past. Plus, we'll talk to a man about how to revive the warrior that resides in all of us. Well, maybe just the men.

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But first, not the headlines.

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I must admit, I'm a little bit confused by what the headlines are right now. It seems most people are talking about the degeneration of Joe Biden, Joe Biden's prostate cancer, and how much of either the media was lying to us or the Biden administration lied to the press. What I have yet to see is a headline that tells us who was running the United States Executive Branch for the time period between 2020 and 2024. Another great headline would be the answer to the question: who was in control of President Biden's autopen? Were you as surprised as I to hear about the hundreds of pardons and commutations Biden supposedly signed prior to his exit from the Oval Office? I don't think anyone believed for a minute that he read and understood each and every one of those documents. But somehow they ended up with his signature on them. I've asked the question before on this program, who's leading the country, and even suggested a few names as to whom it might be. Included on my list of possibilities were Jake Sullivan, Steve Roschete, and Leal Bernard. I spoke about that in December of last year on season 10, episode 8 of the listening tube. As it turns out, I may have been right. The mechanisms have been put in place to find out. But I don't take any pleasure in that, because what it ultimately means is that a cabal of White House insiders had usurped the powers of the President of the United States and went to great lengths to hide it. That would also make a great headline. Haven't seen that one yet. It is becoming more and more clear that the Democratic Party perpetrated what is probably the greatest fraud in the history of the United States federal government. It's also becoming clear who was participating in the scheme. It's easy to tell because they're the loudest antagonists and obstructionists and disruptors of progress. Yet we call them progressives. We could tell that Joe Biden wasn't in charge of the country. Conservative media kept pointing it out while liberal media kept trying to cover it up. Don't believe me? Well, there's a new book out all about how it was hidden. Written by two of the guys who helped to hide it. I haven't read it, but I understand it includes information from 200 sources. How much do you want to bet that most, if not all of them, are liberal journalists or Biden insiders? Which just proves that they knew all along and didn't bother to inform the citizens of the country that their president was incapable of running the place, and instead, a small group of people with a radical left ideology are performing in his stead. Because right now, that seems to be what happened, and it's easy to tell who was in on it. From reporters, writers, and editors to cabinet members and administrative personnel, representatives and senators. The Biden administration makes Watergate look like a kid stole a pack of gum from a candy store. But the reason it's not a headline now is because it should have been a headline a year ago. Or two years ago, or three years ago. We don't know, because the legacy media was too busy propping up Joe Biden in a desperate attempt to prevent Donald Trump from getting re-elected and elected again. I learned something from my late stepfather, who was shot multiple times in Vietnam. He was an athlete as a young man, but got shot in both legs. When he got home, he was on crutches and realized he couldn't go back to driving a butcher truck like he did before he got drafted, because he could no longer drive an automobile with a clutch. So he got an education and an office job. He learned to work with the tools he had. The issue for the Democrats was that Joe Biden was the only tool they had, and what a tool he was.

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And you can hang your hat on that.

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In case you don't recall, Joe Biden was somewhat of a moderate for much of his career. He ran as a moderate against Donald Trump in 2020. He was supposed to be the unifier, the one to bring back normalcy. Well, neither of those things happened. The country became more divided, and abnormality ruled the day, with drag queens in elementary schools and boys competing in girls' sports and flooding the country with illegal aliens. Not to mention soft-on-crime policies and promoting the welfare state to keep people in control of the government. Not only were the citizens kept in the dark about the president's cognitive abilities and reasoning skills, but it seems even Joe Biden was kept in the dark about what was going on outside in the real world. A Philadelphia newspaper recently told a story about Pennsylvania's governor in a meeting with President Biden, began to address the issue of inflation, with the preface that he's concerned about it. The story claims that the president was quickly ushered out of the room by none other than First Lady Jill Biden, who said, All right, we gotta go. Ladies and gentlemen of the United States of America, you have just lived through the biggest scandal in the history of the country. All for the sake of a progressive agenda that most Americans reject. It's a demonstration of how ruthless the progressives will be to advance their policies. Certainly their devotion can be admired, but the policies are proven failures and have been throughout modern history. But Joe Biden was the perfect vehicle to advance those policies because he was oblivious to most of what was going on, and it was the people around him who kept him in the dark. There must be accountability for the abuse that was done to our government and the damage that's being done to it now by federal district judges who keep abusing their positions by dictating national policy. It's time the Supreme Court put a stop to obstructionist lawfare that usurps the power of the executive branch. And it's time the executive branch held those who stole the valor of the presidency responsible for doing so.

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Let's go back through the listening tube for this week in history.

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This week in 1938, in the United States, the House Un-American Activities Committee begins its first session. Often referred to as McCarthyism, it sought to root out those who would try to subvert the American society by nefarious means. Senator McCarthy warned in 1950 during a speech when he said, One thing to remember in discussing the communists in our government is that we are not dealing with spies who get thirty pieces of silver to steal the blueprints of a new weapon. We are dealing with a far more sinister type of activity because it permits the enemy to guide and shape our policy. We're currently dealing with a similar situation, with the attempt of radical socialists and progressives to dismantle the American system of government from the inside. Similar measures are being taken today to expel anti-American activists. The difference is that back in the days of McCarthy, they only used the free speech of suspects against them. You can't do that. Today, the federal government is able to establish that acts can be established when they happen while the speech is being done. But it's still a separate act. That's been enough for the State Department to revoke the immigration status of students and others who are here at the pleasure of the federal government.

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My guest this week is the host of a podcast called Pearl Snap Tactical. Mark Haroldson is a former infantry man and intelligence professional. He teaches military and law enforcement tactics. Mark Haroldson and I talked about those things and how a warrior mentality is inherent in all men.

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This is the listening tube.

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So you are part of or owner of or uh involved with a company called Pearl Snap Tactical. Is that correct?

SPEAKER_00 11:31

Yeah. Uh yes, sir. I'm the host of Pearl Snap Tactical.

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And what exactly is that?

SPEAKER_00 11:37

It's a it's a podcast that it really started out with uh one of my business partners and I, who was also a military veteran, uh, and I was doing it full time, just tactical training, security consulting and training and things like that. And there were a lot of things that were that we wanted to talk about in classes, but it wasn't the always the right venue. But it was stuff that would pair along with the training. But you know, if you're getting a if you're doing a two-day rifle class, that's not really the time to be talking about terrorism and terrorism tactics and stuff like that, or security threats. I mean, you can talk about it a little bit, but eventually people want to get on the gun, you know what I mean? So we started just doing tactical topics, you know, things like low light, CQB, you know, training tips or dry fire tips, you know, things like that. But uh as it's gone on, it and I still do those topics, but I'm also kind of was also on the mission to rebuild a warrior culture among men, not just those serving in the military or law enforcement. I think that that is something for all men as protectors, as defenders. And I think it's just as nature built us. And I really wanted to revalorize some of the martial virtues, particularly that you find coming out of because we're in the West, the Indo-European traditions that stem out of, you know, that formed Western culture, which you and I are inheritors of. And I wanted to go back and I just see in current society, you know, people, men in particular have lost touch of those things. And I think that society has suffered because of it. And just now that I believe our society is in a downward cycle, you know, there will be a this is a loaded term, but a reset at some time, just like all civilizations go through. And so I don't know when that is, could be my lifetime, could be generations later, but we just wanted to, in a very small way, start laying the groundwork for those who would come after us to kind of pick up that torch and take it to the next generation so that when there is the time to rebuild, there will be men there that are capable and able to take it on. And what is the acronym CQB? What does that mean? A close close quarter battle. So usually when people think about CQB, they think of room clearing, but it's that's a subset of CQB.

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All right. Now you're a veteran infantry man. I I assume that's army, correct? Yes, sir. Okay, uh, an intelligence professional, yes, sir, and an attorney. That's an interesting combination, and and that's one of the reasons I I wanted to talk to you. It's a recent development. I want to ask you about two things in particular, uh, right off the bat. One, it uh just announced the golden dome that President Trump has planned for the United States of America. What is just off the top of your head, what's your opinion on that? Is it possible? Is the United States too big for this type of system? Or what's your gut feeling on it?

SPEAKER_00 14:40

So, as an infantryman, you know, I'm an enlisted guy, so I'm based at a squad and platoon level, which is the smaller unit, but that's where the the war fighting happens, quite frankly. Any general tell you that battles are won at the the platoon and company level. So that and I say that because I'm not as versed on the strategic things as far as understanding strategic assets of how that would work or and the and the technology behind it, frankly. But I don't know. I mean, I would imagine it it wouldn't be one apparatus, it would probably be something spread across the country, you know, just like cell phone towers, you know, you would have nodes that are networked together to and it'd be it'd have to be pretty it's expansive, but yeah, yeah, I don't I don't really know a lot enough about it to to really comment beyond that, unfortunately.

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Hey, nobody does, right? As far as we know. Yeah, we'll see. The other topic was um a recent Supreme Court decision, and I wanted your opinion on that decision to uphold the ban on transgender people serving in the military.

SPEAKER_00 15:50

Yeah, I mean, it's funny. I was just having a conversation uh with that with someone about that, not that the ban upholding the ban, but just kind of that topic in general. But yeah, I mean I'm an older generation, I'm a Gen Xer, you know, never in my life. And you know, someone I'm I'm willing for someone to educate me otherwise, right? I want to say that at the outset. I'm willing for a scientific-based explanation to, you know, to educate me on this. But you know, the way I grew up, I just never would have envisioned that we'd be having conversations where you could say that a man could have a baby, you know what I mean? Or that you would have someone that was uh being appointed to a federal office say that they couldn't define what a woman was. I mean, that just that just blew my mind because I mean, I guarantee you, if you get rushed to the ER room, the doctor's gonna make that decision real quick about how to categorize you based on biology, you know, physiology. You know, those decisions seem and I, you know, and I think for your generation too, those were just a given the concept that we'd even have a debate over it is just I still don't know how to get my head wrapped around that, you know. So overall, you know, I think, you know, when it comes down to it, I'm an infantryman, I'm gonna do what I'm ordered to, I'm gonna uphold the constitution and obey lawful orders. So, you know, when they made the decision to bring them in, you know, I've followed orders, and if they're gonna uphold the ban, then you know, I'm gonna uphold that too.

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Yeah, I guess you, you know, you uh deal with uh the rules as they are. I mean, in my generation, you got kicked out of the military for being a homosexual. So yeah, uh the the dynamics certainly have changed uh a lot there. Yeah. Now, was your career as an infantry man concurrent with your career in intelligence, or were they two separate things?

SPEAKER_00 17:52

So I my military career, I spent about five years in on uh active duty, and then I got out, and then I had a big break in service, and then I went back back in 2018. I went back into the Army National Guard, and I've done some of that on active duty as well. They have like temporary short short-term orders you can pick up. So I spent I spent pretty close to two years as an infantry instructor. Yeah, so that time has been split between doing an intelligence MOS or so as an intelligence analyst and then also as a 11 Bravo or infantry rifleman.

SPEAKER_02 18:36

Okay, well, the Air Force guys wanted to know. Yeah. But in addition to that, uh something you speak highly of is a warrior mindset. And I hear Secretary Hegseth speak about getting back to that warrior mentality. What does a warrior mindset mean?

SPEAKER_00 18:58

I mean, it it it really and now I'm gonna let the lawyer in me kind of come out because I mean it really depends on how you answer it. Is you got to define your terms first, you know, because you know, the sec def and I may may look at that differently just based on how we define the term. And I haven't studied enough to see exactly how he's using it or not. But for my purposes and for the purpose of our podcast and when we speak on these things, uh well, it's really more closer to a worldview, you know, and how you see yourself in relation to the world and how you operate in it uh to a certain extent. I mean, these words like mindset, they get used in different contexts, right? Um, sometimes people just think of it as, you know, your a warrior mindset is just someone with grit and being tough and a and a forward charger type guy. And I guess that could incorporate that too. But for me, a more a warrior's mindset is getting back to values, not exactly like our forebearers had in the ancient world, but bringing those things out from the past and ways to live them and apply them within a modern context, you know. Just like, for instance, if you look at you know the word honor, right? Uh, you and I, we can talk about honor. And I think for the most part, we're gonna be on the same page and have a basic understanding of what each other is saying. But if you go back to the Iliad, you know, or you read in Beowulf and you read about honor, well, it's the same word, but they don't always use it exactly the same. I mean, the way that honor would play out in the Bronze Age or the Medieval era be a little different. I mean, if you if you carried that out and you acted like a man of honor from that age in the modern era, you'd end up in jail. You know what I mean? Because uh you just can't uh you can't avenge insults and handle things like you did in the past, but that doesn't mean that those things are totally antiquated, there's still value in it. And so I guess I would uh on that piece, I would say it's kind of like preservation of the fire, you know, not the worship of ashes, right? We're but we're taking something that was valuable in the past that made us as men and society strong, and we want to take that kernel of whatever that is and bring it forward and live it in our lives with a modern adaptation to it. So that would that would be one aspect of it.

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Is a warrior mindset more offensive or defensive?

SPEAKER_00 21:30

I'd say it's pretty holistic. Um, I think it can be offensive. I think, you know, I think they uh I I guess I'd go by the cliche that the best defense is an offense, right? But it it just I guess you could also uh substitute warrior mindset, I think, with kind of a Nietzschean view of living a heroic life. So Nietzsche, some of the other philosophers would talk about this aspect of a heroic life, living a heroic life, and you're like, what's that mean? You know, most people they don't Consider themselves hero, even people that do heroic things. But if you look at again these ancient myths, these legends, these sagas, that's what these warriors were engaged in. And that's what those people of the time that read those things, that's what they wanted to emulate in their own personal lives. And so I think for today, what a heroic life is is someone that does not is not risk adverse, does not seek comfort, uh, does not seek stasis and consumerism, hyperconsumerism, but they they see struggle as not something to be avoided, but really a catalyst for growth and that to understand that the price of admission for excellence, for advancement, for any type of greatness or accomplishment is gonna come by way of experiencing challenges, struggle, and even pain to a certain degree. So there's an ancient philosopher that I'll quote a lot on the podcast that I dig uh named Heraclitus, and I'm gonna paraphrase one of his sayings, but it's one of my favorites, that favorites that says war is the father of all things. And he's not just talking about kinetic war, just pulling out a sword and and you know, slashing people with it. He's just talking about the nature of the universe is conflict. The nature of the universe is struggle. If you look at as nature as your teacher, that you'll just see that just struggle, sweat, and effort is part of it. The obstacle is the path, and pain is associated with that. And so we live in a society that is addicted to comfort, that is uh addicted to uh having things done for you, things on automatic. I mean, even these this self-help space is always talking about hacks and how you can get rich quick and how, you know, if you do these three simple things to crush the your market investments or whatever, you know, there's everyone's always looking for shortcuts. And yeah, I believe in working smarter, but at the end of the day, there's a price to be paid for victory, you know, and you're gonna have to play pay it in in your own sweat and in your own tears, and in some cases your own blood.

SPEAKER_02 24:14

What are some examples of ways that a warrior mindset can be beneficial to someone who is not a warrior?

SPEAKER_00 24:24

We would take issue with that word saying that that only military folks or only law enforcement folks or someone who's charged by their profession to carry a gun and maybe sometimes have to lay hands on people or something, that they they alone reserve that status as a warrior. Again, if we look back at our forebears and our in ancient societies, I mean, whether you were a farmer, whether you were a fisherman, you go back far enough and everybody had to know how to wield a blade. Everybody had to know how to defend the village to fight off some type of threat, whether it was a wild beast or another invading guys from another neighboring village that was coming over to get your stuff, right? So that was just kind of baked in the cake, so to say. And so I I would just start flat out there that I think all this is a path for all men that uh, you know, to adopt. And then as far as how those virtues can help you, it doesn't matter where you're whether you're a banker or a bricklayer, we all have struggles in our life. We all have the chaos of life, you know, uh death in the family, a debilitating disease, you know, a diagnosis that hits you out of nowhere, catastrophes that happen uh to your property or within families, struggles in your job and occupation, whatever it is. I mean, again, it is not to just simply endure, but to engage with the chaos and the and the conflict that we find just in daily living. So I think that mindset is what you I think it's mandatory that you have that and to the degree that you do and that you cultivate it because it doesn't, it's so it's it's there in a lot of senses naturally, but it has atrophied, you know, in the modern society. So it's not so much that it needs to be learned, but more awakened.

SPEAKER_02 26:20

If life itself is the battle that we all fight, uh certainly intelligence is very important in that battle. And I I think as as a country and probably as individuals, we do pretty well there. But I'm hoping maybe someone with your experience and insight can tell me about where the line is drawn between the value of logic and the value of emotion when it comes to fighting that that war that we all fight every day.

SPEAKER_00 26:54

Yeah. There's a uh there's a certain amount of there, there has to be a certain amount of passion, you know, when whether you are defending yourself against a threat, whether it's kinetic or just metaphorical speaking. So there has to be that passion, that righteous indignation, but it has to be tempered by control. You have to have control of yourself, right? So it's not that you do things emotionless or detachment. And that's that's probably this kind of getting off into a rabbit hole, maybe you don't want to go into. So I won't, I won't go there. But like that's one of the the problems I have with stoicism. You know, it's it just seems to me that that's that's what they're trying to do is to turn you into, you know, Mr. Spock from Star Trek. And and I don't I don't think that's that's the way. I think you do need to feel emotion. I think when you see something that is unjust or something that is harmful to you or your family, I think there needs to be a certain amount of righteous indignation, but you have to temper it with control and to channel it properly. So that's I think that's where the line is. You know, and that takes an amount of discipline. And some people don't have it, but you can cultivate it, you know, and you cultivate it through training, you cultivate it, you know, physical, mental, spiritual training. You you cultivate that.

SPEAKER_02 28:20

And I think probably stoicism can help cultivate some of that. I just uh interviewed uh a colonel from the Swiss Army a few weeks ago who who was a big champion of stoicism, but certainly I'm open to different philosophies. I always enjoyed them.

SPEAKER_00 28:36

Any viable philosophy, you know, that stood the test of time, like you know, stoicism or things like that. That I mean, you you certainly find strands of that in the military, you know, and I and I I certainly wouldn't say that it has nothing to offer. I think not getting worked up about things you can't control, you know, things like that. Yeah, I think I think stoicism has value, but where I think it misses the mark is that on the extreme end, following it to its logical conclusion, as some of the writers would encourage you to do, I think it tries to make you an emotionless drunk and an emotionless robot that I think by nature I'm definitely somebody who would rather find the strengths within my nature and cultivate that to where it's my strength and not my weakness, rather than trying to disavow it and separate myself from it, just me personally.

SPEAKER_02 29:28

You always have to be smart, but sometimes you also have to let your gut instincts take over.

SPEAKER_00 29:36

Yeah, yeah. I think I think there's definitely a big space for intuition here that unfortunately, I think used to be used to figure more prominently in our cultures, you know, especially in the past. And now that we are in a you know, postmodernity and you know, post-enlightenment and uh hyper-rational kind of culture that we try to disavow those things. And I think, you know, anytime you try to suppress something that's part of your nature, you know, it usually, you know, like Jung says, it's it's going to bubble up, you know, in the shadow form and be your undoing. And so I think you need your rational mind, but you also need your intuition, you know, you also need that that that has a place because it is part of you. And I don't know why there as a society, you know, in our current age, that there's such a a desire to, you know, to not want to talk about it. They think it's too, people think it's too woo-woo or something like that. I don't know. And I think, yeah, you you definitely could run the risk of going that direction if you're not doing it intelligently and smartly. But I definitely think that that is a an asset that is hardwired into us and that we would do well to cultivate it rather than trying to run from it or pretend like it doesn't exist.

SPEAKER_02 30:58

Now, uh part of what you do is you train law enforcement officers. And I would imagine you train them in tactics and and things like that, so uh self-defense, uh how to make a bust, and whatever the case may be. But my question is, is there an inherent danger in local police officers having a military or or a warrior mindset?

SPEAKER_00 31:30

Yeah, so that's you know, militarization of the police, you know, that's that's a a common buzzword that certain sectors like to like really harp on and everything. And so the short answer to your question is no. And here's why. Because the way we teach things and the methodology that we use, and some other people do too, is that when you talk about tactics, tactics are our principles, right? So the principles apply always, but they look different in their application. They're not always going to be applied the same way, it's not gonna always look the same way. So if you talk about tactics in the military, tactics in the law enforcement, or tactics for just a security-minded citizen, the principles are going to be the same, but the application, how they look as they get applied, that's gonna be different. So when we train things, I'll typically, depending on how long the course is, if we have time, I will first show and demonstrate. Normally, this is through like kind of a seminar kind of classroom type thing with a slide deck, show the foundations of tactics and some examples and how that plays out. And then usually, you know, by then, if you've got skeptical people in your audience, and you usually do, they're like, Oh, we can't do this, you know, we're we're not allowed to do this stuff. And then once we go out on the range, then we start talking about, well, here's what you see in your job. This is how, you know, you're not in a village, you're not in an alleyway in Mogadishu, you're not in a village, you know, at the base of the mountains in Afghanistan, but you are in City X, and this is the lay of the land, and these are your rules of engagement, and this is how you would apply these tactics for your job set. Because it's the same thing, and I think that's a misnomer that people have of the military, that we just have one way of doing things, and that is we get the biggest hammer and we roll in and we just destroy and crush everything in our wake. And there are certainly times where that happens, but you have to understand that the military has rules of engagement too, and those change from conflict to conflict. Even like I mentioned my business partner uh before, he was in the Ranger Battalion for five years and he did four Afghanistan deployments, and he had different rules of engagement each time he went. So for each of those four deployments, the things he did and the things he was able to do was not the same as he was on the deployment before. Because as the operating environment changes, your rules of engagement have to adjust for that. Now, yes, they might be more the threshold for violence and and things like that may be greater in a military context because you're in a state of war. Sure. I mean, I will grant you that. But again, that just goes back to reinforce my point about the application looks different, but the principles are not. Shoot, move, communicate, you know, that type of things, though those are always there, you know, set peace, move in peace, you know, that type of thing. Those are universal.

SPEAKER_02 34:35

So uh in addition to the Geneva Convention, then there are also additional uh rules of conflict that can change. I didn't know that. Thank you, thank you for yeah, for bringing that to my attention. Now, you're also an attorney, and now I I always thought it would be great to be an attorney just so I could just so I could know where the where the limits of the law are, you know. Yeah is that why you got your law degree?

SPEAKER_00 35:04

No, I'm just somebody, I have a wide range of interests, and that was something, even when I was a private in the military and hadn't even finished my bachelor's, that was just something that was on my bucket list that I wanted to do. I thought that I would have done my 20 years and then done, you know, then went to law school and everything, but it didn't work out that way. But I mean, I got to the same place, I just took a different route. But yeah, for me, I was uh I was just interested in the law and how it operated. I and all of my experience pretty much was working out of the district attorney's office. So it it was uh I wouldn't say it was exactly like the military, but it was as far as the culture and the camaraderie and kind of some of the um, I don't know, the the philosophy, it was the closest thing to being in the military I I've ever done inside the civilian world, you know, as far as in that environment.

SPEAKER_02 35:56

Yeah. How has a a deeper knowledge of the law helped you in the other aspects of your professions?

SPEAKER_00 36:03

Well, you know, training law enforcement, right? So understanding from being a prosecuting attorney, you know, we are prosecating, you know, against criminals, right? We are enforcing the law against uh the criminal element. And so I know day to day what officers are doing. I understand not what they go through inside their mind necessarily, but I understand the the parameters of their job, how they are confined within the rules of criminal procedure and the rules of evidence and things like that. And so very much has helped me, you know, when I do, if we do do those kinetic classes, yeah, I understand what those their use of force protocols are and their policies within their departments and how to read those and analyze them, and then tailor our training so that it doesn't violate those things, you know, so that it helps them. We're we're giving them material and tools that will help them do their job and not something that's gonna hem them up.

SPEAKER_02 37:02

Obviously, you're your one of your major concerns is security, whether that's personal security or the security of property, the security of our country. Right. Was it frustrating for you to watch what was happening at the borders of the United States under the Biden administration?

SPEAKER_00 37:24

Yeah. I mean, I I don't I don't know how any rational human being, you know, with any understanding of history, right, would be able to watch that and and cheer for that or advocate for that. I mean, just it doesn't even matter. You know, everybody wants to reduce things to racial issues and things like that. And that's I I don't even think that's where the discussion needs to be. I mean, it's just the fact that there's no everything has a threshold, right, uh, that it can support, you know, any structure that you put a load on, it can only, you know, whether it's a ladder, you know, a staircase, a building, a car, you know, anything that you put under a load, it can, it's only designed to handle so much. And so to just have a flux of millions upon millions of people, you know, within just a within a year, you know, or within months, or what that whatever your time frame is, without having a system to assimilate those and to process that and integrate it into your society will cause chaos. I mean, and it will. And I think we have yet to see the second and third order effects of what that's gonna bring, you know, the current administration notwithstanding. So, yeah, I think that's where the discussion should have been. But, you know, people politicize things, you know, information is weaponized and politicized. And so, you know, obviously there's there's people that don't want to have that discussion because they want to use they want to, they have other agendas, I guess, is what uh in my opinion.

SPEAKER_02 39:00

Do you think our illegal system is helping or hurting our nation's security right now?

SPEAKER_00 39:09

That's a good I mean, that's a good question. You know, I I don't know, you know, I don't know. There I mean, due process takes time. And the way that the system is set up, everyone is entitled to due process. Just because someone was wrapped up in the streets and saying, hey, you're here illegally, well, that's a and I'm talking, I'm that this is not my opinion. I'm just talking about the way the law works. The law says, well, that might be or it might not be. And this, and if it's not, this person has a has a right to hear what these charges are and to assert a defense to those charges, you know, either by testing what the state's evidence is against them or uh bringing their own witnesses in their behalf, cross-examinating the state's witnesses and evidence and and things like that. And that takes time, right? I mean, it takes a lot of times, and the dockets are clogged with just not just ordinary crime that occurs in your street, but you know, in the federal system with all these people that they're wrapping up and everything to, that that takes time. And of course, there's been some executive orders and things that are signed to try to circumvent that. But on the individual level, yeah, the law does things that you and I, as law-abiding citizens, would want for us. But when you're talking about millions of people that, you know, all of a sudden showed up here and they're entitled all that as well, then yeah, that's going to slow the system down. It's going to clog it up, and it takes a lot of time and resources to sort that out.

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