The Listening Tube S13E1 10/26/25

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This is the listening tube.

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Hello again. Thank you for putting your ear to the listening tube. I'm your host, Bob Woodley. On this episode, we'll hear from Sarah Alessandrini, an Italian filmmaker who seems to know a lot about New York politics. We'll talk about the race for mayor of New York City, among other things.

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But first, not the headlines.

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A culture of violence is creeping its way into our society. Wait, creeping isn't the right word for it. A culture of violence is invading our society. It's been happening for a long time now, but used to be settled by a fist fight, then evolved into the introduction of brass knuckles, then knives, and ultimately gunfire. These disagreements are always best settled through dialogue, but there are people who don't have the wherewithal to deal with the reasoned debate. They see the world in a way that defies human nature and demand changes. And when reasoned debate doesn't conclude in their favor, they resort to violence to make a point that doesn't accomplish anything but the injury or death of someone who disagrees. Whenever some type of political violence occurs, the statisticians keep track of which ideology is to blame. The people who interpret those statistics can skew them in all kinds of ways to make them say different things. But sometimes what you see is the best barometer of what's happening, regardless of what the statistics and the polls tell us. What I see is that violence is being accepted as a part of what we should expect in everyday life. Is it? Does it depend upon where you live? Should it? Does it depend upon what kind of local government you have? Is it not the responsibility of government to keep us safe and secure? Why is violence becoming commonplace in how disputes are settled? Is it because our education systems are producing people not equipped to settle our differences through debate? Is violence too easy? Or is it a sign of weakness in the political context? I think it is. And there is one political party that has publicly endorsed violence to advance a political agenda, and it's the far left wing of the Democratic Party.

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You can hang your hat on that.

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Look, I'm not saying there aren't man caves out there with guys sitting around fantasizing about popping some liberal. And yes, some actually carry out the plan. But the far left has made it clear that they are not only apathetic about political violence, but outright support it. Again, it didn't happen overnight. It may have turned a page when Maxine Waters, the Democrat from California, challenged her supporters to confront conservative politicians in the streets and in restaurants, depriving them of their rights to live as private citizens as well as public servants. The encouragement of confrontation led to concurring with simple assault, and that led to misdemeanor charges for someone who attacks an innocent person because of their political beliefs. And the charges are dismissed by a liberal prosecutor who claims the perpetrator is a victim of some societal challenge that we all face. Because the far left has abandoned all the rules of human decency in order to get their way. Elsewhere, Antifa groups are organizing in cities where federal law enforcement are trying to remove people who are here illegally. They interfere with their work, threaten them, and assault them. A man at a No Kings rally last week called for people to take out their guns and shoot ICE agents. A woman mocked Charlie Kirk supporters by pretending to shoot herself in the neck. A man driving down the street suddenly slams on his brakes when he sees a Trump sign and is confronted by the landowner as he's tearing it down. He leaves, but fires a half dozen rounds out of the sunroof as he's driving away. I'll be honest with you, I thought that when Charlie Kirk got shot, there would be someone who would start claiming an I for an I, and then another I and another I until they got caught. But that didn't happen. In fact, the whole movement made a conscious decision to remain peaceful. There's clearly a difference between what each side will tolerate when it comes to civil discourse, and it's clear that the extreme left is willing to resort to violence when they run out of arguments. Sorry, booth announcer lady. No time for that. All that history will still be there next time.

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My guest today is Sarah Alessandrini, a filmmaker from Italy, who made a documentary called This Is What New Yorkers Say. Sarah tells me she was inspired by the saga of Andrew Cuomo and his resignation as governor of New York. He's now running for mayor of New York City. Sarah spent some time in the listening tube from where she lives in Los Angeles.

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Is it too loud here because there is a strike right across the street, so they have music very loud, so I'm trying to keep the microphone lower so that you just pick up my voice.

SPEAKER_01 8:26

I can only hear you.

SPEAKER_00 8:27

Okay, great. Because it's all loud here.

SPEAKER_01 8:30

Oh well, okay. Now you're in Los Angeles, correct?

SPEAKER_00 8:33

Yes, I live in Los Angeles. I'm right in front of a Kaiser Permanente, so when they do their strike, it's like five days with loud music and everything.

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So Okay.

SPEAKER_00 8:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:43

First of all, thank you for being here today. I do appreciate it.

SPEAKER_00 8:46

Thank you for having me.

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Now, one thing I noticed was you are an Italian woman living in Los Angeles, but making a film about New York City.

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I know it's it's pretty weird. It's pretty weird. It's like, yeah, my life has been all over the place, actually. So yeah, yeah, I was born and raised in Italy, but my dream was always to come to this country. So that it took some time for me to come here, and like my heart was always in New York, but I guess I found the better way to the easier way to be in Los Angeles. So then I moved here. Uh, but my heart was always in New York, and then during COVID, I would start like listening to all the press conferences because of my job. Like at the time, I was like the facility manager of uh a movie theater. And so to keep updated on the reopening, I was following like the press conferences in in Los Angeles and everything. And then uh and then it just happened, like my algorithm started suggesting like Governor Cuomo's um press conferences. So then I just started listening to that, and I just like hearing the New York politics, uh, how he was talking about government and all that kind of stuff. So I was just like hooked over there, and so I was just like following on a daily basis what was happening in New York, and I was like, my heart was always in New York, and so I just learned how much I loved it, and then everything happened in New York, like uh all this accusation of sexual harassment, I was following very closely what they were accusing him of. I was like hearing him talking, I was uh watching the news, and it didn't make sense to me. And uh also being Italian, obviously, like I know we have like our culture, we do we approach people in different ways. I can see how, yes, sexual harassment rules are very important in the workplace, but also I see here in like in my day-to-day jobs and everything, how this role can get like too crazy at times, where people don't get due process. You just like there is really zero tolerance for things that might be just about human being, uh human being. So I was very upset with what was happening, and I saw the media not doing their job, not questioning things uh, and just they wanted him out. And so I felt it was so unfair, and no one was like saying anything. So for some reason, I felt it was my job to do it.

SPEAKER_01 11:09

So now your film is called This Is What New Yorkers Say. Logically, my first question to you should be, what did you ask them?

SPEAKER_00 11:21

Well, I it was I improvised a lot, obviously, because I like when I went to New York, I didn't know what people what kind of people I would find. I didn't know who these people were. And uh so it was a mix of people that I found on the street. Uh, when I was I was traveling with a group of people I found online that I didn't know, but I was just looking for people to help me uh online to find people to interview. So some were maybe people that they knew, so I knew very little about them, at least like maybe their job. Uh other people, they were just people on the street. I knew nothing about them. So for me, when I approached them, first of all, I started asking personal questions to hear like who they are, what their job is. Uh so I just started from the basics, like just to understand for me who they are and what like kind of like from what kind of reality they come from and everything. So and then I'm just a very curious person. So I just started asking questions uh based on like where they were taking me. And there were like a few questions that like obviously I was like the basics that I had in mind, things like, okay, what do you think about Cuomo, like his job? Uh, what did you think about him uh as a governor? What did you think about the sexual harassment allegations? And uh, what do you think about the Me Too movement in general? So there were like obviously basic questions that I would ask. Uh, but then I would just like like listen to where they were taking me and then ask follow-up questions. So uh some interviews, like the first interview maybe was like 10 minutes long, and still there was so much for me, just to learn. Like, you know, every time you do one interview, then you start thinking about other questions uh for the next person. And so then I just realized, like, like even before when I was like planning this, I just understood the potential of this kind of documentary because it wasn't just about Cuomo. It was all these possible topics that are like very current here in this country right now, whether it's like the Democratic Party, how they handle this kind of situation, how the media is handling accusations, how they do their job. So the women's empowerment, obviously, there was like this potential for like a big documentary because there were so many conversations that I feel we need to happen in this country, and in every country, obviously, but now we live here, so we deal with what we have here.

SPEAKER_01 13:50

Uh did you confine your inquiry to New York City, or did you uh uh look elsewhere around New York State?

SPEAKER_00 14:00

Well, those people were around New York State. So some people were like in Manhattan, some were in Queens, some were in Bronx, but also we have someone uh in Long Island, Albany, and Rochester.

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So you traveled around New York asking people what they think about Andrew Cuomo shortly after he resigns his governorship over sexual harassment allegations. How were you treated by the people of New York when you asked about it?

SPEAKER_00 14:31

Um, so that was like 10 days that I was traveling over there. So it it depends. It depends. I think people like New Yorkers like talking. So if you go there with something like that, it's kind of like this provocative kind of topic, they get curious anyway, so they don't treat you badly. Um, but you you know, there were a lot of people that maybe were interested, but they were like, Well, I work for the city, I cannot talk about this stuff. We met a few people in in Albany that actually were like uh we ran into a couple of people, like someone in like they were part of like the accusations, or someone that was working in the office with Tish James. So some people were laughing at us from what I was doing and everything. So, but but in general, everybody was very curious about it. So, but that was like, yeah, a couple of months after we resigned when I was traveling, but then the year later, actually, I was traveling again around the state for festivals because I first released this uh as a feature documentary. And as a feature documentary, I submitted to festivals, so I was like uh it was like maybe small town, like small film festivals. So I was in Long Island, I was like in Western New York, and so that was different. That was very, I would see really how like like what people like, yeah, how going back to your original question, how people perceived like also this person from Italy, from Los Angeles, doing a documentary about New York. So when I was like in Western New York, which is a very Trump support area, so they were very much not fond of Cuomo or anything, but so I was in uh in a pub during a festival. And so I was just I like chatting with people, so I just started chatting these people, and they were very much obviously Trump supporter. And so they were like so amazed about this person coming from uh Los Angeles, Italian too, defending Andrew Cuomo in Western New York. Because my documentary obviously it's more try, it's like trying to give like empathy to Andrew Cuomo to the accusation and everything, just to get people to understand uh the other side of the story that the media didn't bring up. So they were like, they were like amazed. It was like, oh, this person coming from Los Angeles to Western New York defending Andrew Cuomo, it was so fun. But they were so nice, and they started like offering me beers, drinks, uh, so we had a great night because it's just like it's it's it's really great, like this documentary, because like everybody has an opinion about these topics. So just the fact that you say, I did this thing that is different from what like most people, like the the point of view that most people have uh regarding these topics, so it sparks conversation instantly, and you can make friends uh even if you disagree about stuff, but because like you have like something to discuss, uh it creates great connections. So that was worse than New York. And then when I was actually in Long Island, like I was talking to a lot of people like that when I was like on uh Uber or Lyft or something like that, we started this conversation because yeah, everybody's like, oh, why are you from Los Angeles or here in these areas of New York? And so then every time I say, ah yeah, I did this documentary, it actually defends Andrew Cuomo and everything. And uh yeah, and a lot of people like, I defend Andrew Cuomo, this was not right, what they did to him. Uh so you would get like this very heated reaction from people, especially in Long Island. So yeah, it was like all this different type of reaction I would get.

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Do you think Andrew Cuomo should have resigned?

SPEAKER_00 18:12

No, no, he should not have resigned because that's the thing with a lot of things, like situations like this. Uh like the the media, everybody pushes in that moment, and like that moment obviously was for like they were pushing a lot more than they did with other people's in other times. Uh, like with Eric Adams. There was a push to get him also to resign to Eric Adams, but then after a month, uh, then they forgot about that. So I think eventually it would have happened with him too. People would have moved on with something, there was always something happening in the world, so like they would have forgotten about that, and he would have won if there would have been like an impeachment probe or anything. But but I understand that the pressure was very strong over there, and like uh everybody was against him. Uh, so it I I don't like it's not a simple situation, but yeah, he should not have resigned, obviously.

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Like Andrew Cuomo is now running for mayor of New York City. He is running against uh Democratic socialist, uh Zaran Mamdani. He is also running against a Republican, Curtis Swila. We can pretty much count out the Republican candidate in New York City. New York City is a democratic city. There's it's it's been for many, many years. I don't see any any reason for it to change uh overnight. So basically, we're talking about a choice here now in New York City between Andrew Cuomo, a Democrat who's running as an independent, and uh Zoran Mamdami, who is uh communist running as a democratic socialist. So is New York City basically stuck between a rock and a hard place right now?

SPEAKER_00 20:01

I mean it it's it's hard to say because obviously there are all different types of New Yorkers, even there. So there are and there is this big split in general, like nationwide, between like the moderate part of the Democratic Party and the far left, obviously. And Andrew Cuomo was always like he while he was a governor, he always had issue with the far left. So there were always clashes between him, even though they were part of the same party, but with people like AOC, obviously, that they're like far more left. So there were always clashes. The far left always hated Cuomo because he was too much of a moderate, and he Andrew Cuomo is someone that is willing to work across the aisle. So I think that's also like where we are now. Like we have a candidate, obviously, is like uh way much to the left, who in general nationwide, we can see that they're not willing to talk to people on the other side of the aisle, obviously. And then we have Andrew Cuomo, someone who always worked with both the left and the right. Uh so I think he's the candidate that actually can bring the interest of all the parties together. So Curtis Lewa, yeah, he's the Republican one, but obviously, yeah, the the rep the Democrats will not vote for him. So he would have only the vote of the Republicans, and not all of them, because a lot of Republicans also don't like Curtis Lewa. Trump didn't even endorse Curtis Lewa, so the the Republican Party is not behind him. Um so there is that thing, but there are also Republicans who still like Cuomo. Like Cuomo always had a lot of friends that were also Republican in like uh politicians and other people. So he's always been somewhere like more into the center so that he can appeal to both the left and the right. And so at the end of the day, like so Eric Adams already dropped the campaign. Campaign and there are questions about whether Curtis Leva will drop or not. He says he's not gonna drop, uh, but people hope that he will drop. But at the end of the day, people can always this, even if like they like Curtis Lewa better, they can always decide if they prefer to use their vote for the most like viable candidate or the one they like the most. So obviously, some people will say, I will never vote for Andrew Cuomo. Other people will say, Well, I prefer voting for Andrew Cuomo even if I don't like him, because I rather have him than having the socialists governing New York City. So so yeah, it's uh it's it's a tough choice, obviously, if you don't like those candidates. But but I was reading like even this article, and there are like different Republicans that are saying Republicans should vote for Andrew Cuomo, because that way, if they vote for Curtis Liwa, then most likely Zora Mamdani will win and they will not have a seat at the table. While if they help Cuomo be elected, then that way they can also say, hey, we were part of your election, we were here to help you, so listen to us. While the far left is not gonna do that in general for their own ideology, but also because they don't need those votes. But Cuomo would need those votes in order to win. And so now with Eric Adams gone, their old polls are saying he's like around the 33%. So now he's like maybe 10% behind uh Zoramandani, but if he gets also the Republican votes, then uh he has a I think he has a chance either way, but yeah, like I think like definitely like if the Republicans want to help him get elected, then they would have a better chance to be heard.

SPEAKER_01 23:51

What did New Yorkers tell you?

SPEAKER_00 23:53

Like uh recently or talking or talking about.

SPEAKER_01 23:56

Recently.

SPEAKER_00 23:57

Yeah, so yeah, I've been going back and forth there, so I've been like uh every now and then, like also being at the little like where they're volunteering for the Cuomo campaign. Uh so I see people, and I mean there are two different types of people, and I've been mainly in Manhattan, so that's every area is different, obviously, because Manhattan, like Zor Mandani got, I guess, the majority of the votes all across Manhattan, but then it depends certain areas. Obviously, the south are more for Mamdani, the north more for Cuomo. Bronx is a Cuomo area, so the the black community from the Bronx they are very supportive of Cuomo, obviously. Queens is half and half because both Cuomo and Mamdani are from Queens. So Brooklyn is very much uh Zor Mamdani. So, but yeah, so like when when I'm there, like the era where they're volunteering, there are two people that walk by the table, and I see they're either oh, he's Cuomo is our only chance. So, what can we do to make sure that he becomes the mayor? Uh do we need him back in office? So that's one type of people, and then there is another group of people that come like, hell no, never gonna work vote for that guy. So I always say I think Cuomo is more controversial than Trump, because like I think like even within his own party, there are some people that really hate him and some people that really love him. So it's either or with Cuomo. I guess he has that kind of personality that people like have like only strong opinions about him, they're not indifferent to him. So that's that's the people I saw over there in Manhattan. And then I met with a couple of people, friends of friends, that actually they are in Brooklyn, like in an area that is very much Zor Mandani. And it was we had a great conversation, honestly. And so that's the thing, because people say New Yorkers don't want Cuomo, they are not gonna vote for him. And so I had this great conversation with these uh people, like around my age, so in their like 30s. And so they are very much Zor Mandani, like one of them has a picture with Zoran like in her profile, so like on social media. So I when I was uh when I was going to meet them, like I told them about my documentary, but I didn't necessarily say my documentary kind of defense Cuomo supports him. So I was worried, I was like, oh, how these people are gonna hate me just because like if they like Zoran Mandani that much, doesn't mean they hate Cuomo. And then it wasn't that way. It wasn't that way. We had a great conversation, and they said they loved Cuomo during COVID. They really liked him, they were always listening to him, but they just don't understand why he wants to run for mayor of New York City since he hasn't lived here fully, like full-time for many years. It's unfair, but that's how people are perceiving this. And I know Zora Mandani is pushing a lot of that, saying that Cuomo is not a real New Yorker, uh, he hasn't lived in the city, so I know a lot of people that vote for Zora Mandani feel that too. Just because they vote for Zora Mandani doesn't mean they hate Cuomo.

SPEAKER_01 27:11

So New York is uh has a very heavy immigrant population, and immigration is a hot topic around the world right now. You're obviously an immigrant to the United States. What was your experience with the immigration process?

SPEAKER_00 27:29

Well, very difficult, obviously. So yeah, like every case is very different. I have friends uh from all over the the world. I know people from Asia, obviously, I know people from uh Middle East, uh, from Europe, from South America. I know people from pretty much all over the world, and so we always talk about our own experiences. And I can tell my experience was probably crazier than a lot of other people, too. So it was very difficult. But when something matters, you're willing to go through difficult things for sure. And so to me, it was always worth it. So so, but at the same time, uh, when I hear everybody talking about immigration, uh, I'm always very careful and I'm not, I don't jump and like react to things. I always like question more because I've been through the immigration, I've seen different people. So when I read something in the news media, something, and they're like talking about, oh, this person was deported for no good reason. I always slow down and I'm like, wait, well, let's hear what's the story before saying there was no good reason. So because I've seen situations, I've known people who got deported from the airport, like so, I guess not readmitted more than deported, but sent back to their countries. So I've seen situations like that. I've seen all kinds of immigrants. I know there are like a lot of amazing immigrants that they should be in this country. Obviously, I'm an immigrant, so I believe immigration is very important. And obviously, I think immigrants can be good people, obviously. So there is like all this split where like people are either very much like everybody needs to come here or don't come here at all. So I'm in the center where I'm like every case needs to see it's different from the other ones, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 29:25

I think most Americans are supportive of immigration as long as it's done through the legal process. Now, do you do you have aspirations to become a United States citizen?

SPEAKER_00 29:35

Yeah, yeah, for sure. It's a long process, but yes, definitely, yes.

SPEAKER_01 29:40

Do they make you learn the Pledge of Allegiance?

SPEAKER_00 29:43

Uh I mean, I haven't I haven't been like I haven't reached that process yet, but that was always that was always my understanding that you like I don't know the Pledge of Allegiance, but the the national anthem, like from my understanding since I was a kid, uh wanted to come here. Like I learned the national anthem like a long time ago, the American one, because I wanted to be an American anyway. Like I always like thought that was part of the process. So I I know there is a test that you have to pass, but I haven't gotten to that process yet.

SPEAKER_01 30:17

Okay, well, good luck with that when you when you get there. Now you mentioned uh earlier uh during our conversation that you didn't like the way uh the media was treating the uh governor of New York. How would you summarize the way American media serves the citizens?

SPEAKER_00 30:40

Serves or doesn't serve the citizens, you think.

SPEAKER_01 30:44

You may have just answered the question.

SPEAKER_00 30:46

Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. And again, the media has issues all over the world. Obviously, it's not that the American one is particularly bad or the other ones are particularly good. Like, obviously, it it's it's a it's tough. It's a tough job. Uh, but you have to be willing to ask questions. And I see that a lot of the media doesn't answer, does first of all, I think now we're in a very bully type of era where like if you ask the wrong question, if you say the wrong thing, then they're gonna try to push you out of your job. So that's a big problem because if you're not, if you even cannot ask a question uh, and just by you asking the question, then they label you as uh whatever it's racist, uh, transphobe or uh Israel supporter, anything just because you're asking a question uh, that's a problem. That's a problem, and the media is not independent from that kind of problem. So I see that obviously there are a lot of people in the press, the articles, and obviously I was following the Cuomo situation a lot, and that were it was for me. Like, first of all, okay, he would say something, and the media interpreted that in a different way than the way I interpreted, which is possible, but it seemed at a certain point that that was done like in a very dishonest way, where like only, and that's in general the media, they only want to report the bad things, not necessarily the good things. So even now, everybody reports okay, this person was deported, this person was uh taking away the green card. But now you read you hear all these stories now, but does it mean that you didn't hear them before? Why? Because they didn't happen before, or they happened before too, but the media didn't have any interest in talking about those. And so to me, that's a big problem with the media because you always have to ask yourself why they're talking about this now? Without what kind of narrative are they trying to push? And so, and you see that every time you read an article and you're like, okay, they're saying this, this, and that, but why didn't they mention these other things? Why they didn't ask this other question? And to me, also, like with the attorney general report, there were a lot of questions that should have been asked, and there were a lot of things there that are not okay in the report. Like they were saying, okay, this they were using as a fact that something happened, but they said that even though one of the people involved in the party changed their mind because they were she that person was threatened by one of the accusers. So if you're writing over there in the document, this person changed their mind after their initial statement because this person was threatened by one of the accusers, how can you trust that that what they're saying is true now? And why are you even putting this in the report if like that's that's obviously something that their testimony is not is not worth it anymore because it was tainted? So um, yeah, so there there are too many questions about the news media always reporting certain things and things becoming a trend during certain times, and everybody just talk about that. And then uh the other times when maybe there was still a reason to talk about those, they don't talk about those.

SPEAKER_01 34:05

So well, you know, uh New York City was a hotbed of pro-Palestinian protests in recent months. Well, ever well, over the past two years almost. Many pro-Palestinian protests happen at Columbia University and other New York City venues. We just witnessed an historic uh peace agreement in the Middle East, specifically between Israel and Hamas, but generally for most of the region, uh I haven't seen any pro-Palestinian protesters celebrating the ceasefire. And we haven't really heard much from it about the media either, and I think that might go uh toward uh confirming what you just told us because a lot of people the media brought us those protests each and every day. Now that we have an agre a peace agreement, there doesn't seem to be any news about it at all. Or very little.

SPEAKER_00 35:03

Yeah, and we're seeing the same in Italy too now. Like they just woke up about the Palestine situation in Italy, even though it's been for two years. Uh but yeah, no, those protesting schools, like they were horrible, like all the people being harassed. Uh uh, so like to me, seeing like the day after what Hamas did to the Jewish population in Israel, like that was horrible, what was experienced by those people. And it what was even more horrible, the people that were celebrating that on October 8th. And so, so that was, and I'm in Los Angeles, so I definitely like deal with a lot of people that are far far left. And yeah, I never heard anyone saying anything about the October 7. They didn't make any statement, and they just were celebrating that, what was happening. And in October 8th, all the protests that started happening. So, yeah, and in Italy, even now, there were protests for the past few weeks for Palestine, for the starvation and everything. And now that this and now that this peace deal happened, they are very quiet. So, so that makes you ask a lot of questions about whether these people were in it just because they wanted like a cause to fight for, and it was for like, you know, from the river to the sea, to have like Palestine as one state solution compared to the two-state solution. So if you only cared for the suffering of the Palestinian, then you should be happy about this uh agreement, uh, whether it was Trump uh doing that or someone else should be happy. But that that's my question now. Are people not saying anything because they didn't care about the suffering of the Palestinian? They only cared about the one-state solution where Palestine is the only count, the only state. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:53

Do the opinions of people from New York matter to people from the other 49 states?

SPEAKER_00 37:01

I think so. I think that's the thing. It's like it is New Yorkers talking, but it's about the the topics that all around the country are important because it starts from the Cuomo case, but that case uh it's similar to other cases that have been like how to people talk to me about El Franken, and everybody has an opinion about El Franken. So, but it's really this story, it's really starts from Cuomo, but again, it's to have a bigger conversation about the media, about the Democratic Party, about due process, uh, how we're not giving due process and the dangers of a society where due process is not given to all. And then what is women empowerment? And is women empowerment and the Me Too on the same page, or is the Me Too actually limited? So it's it's not it clashes with the women's empowerment and it's all about victimization. And so it's not about just Me Too, it's like all these movements that have been happening over the years. So, yeah, is there about creating more victims or creating a stronger society? So it's really more about societies than it is about Cuomo, but it starts from Cuomo to go to something that matters to everybody around the country.

SPEAKER_01 38:15

You can view Sarah Alessandrini's documentary on a variety of platforms. Go to thisiswhatneworkerssay.com to learn more. Thank you to Sarah for spending some time in the listening tube. The listening tube is written and produced by yours truly, copyright 2025. Thank you for putting your ear to the listening tube. Follow the program at thelistening tube. I'm your host, Bob Woodley, for Thou ad Infinitum.